Cliff Notes from Latest Mormon Visit

Had three Mormons visit my wife and I last night. Two were the regular Elders who have been around a couple times before (though one is being shipped to another area soon). The third was a female member of the local church (not a missionary though).

It was another nice 2 hour long session, filled with plenty of light chit chat and plenty of snacks. Strangely enough, I can’t remember most of what we actually discussed pertaining to Mormonism, though I did bring up the problem of chapters of Deutero-Isaiah being quoted in 1 & 2 Nephi (which none of them had heard before).

My wife asked about the concept of a heavenly mother (i.e. the wife of God). They essentially said it isn’t a topic that is discussed much in the LDS Church, which is what I figured considering I hadn’t really seen it mentioned in all the Mormon literature I have read. The lady did sing for us that one hymn that mentions a “heavenly mother” though.

The Elders discussed a couple of specific verses of the Bible and how they pertain to receiving a revelation from God concerning the veracity of the Book of Mormon. The passages were 1 Kings 19.11-13 (“…and after the fire, a still small voice”) and Galatians 5.22 (“the fruit of the Spirit is…”).

Needless to say, we were not convinced to join the LDS Church, and neither were they convinced that Joseph Smith was a fraud. But they were very nice, polite, and friendly. I look forward to our next visit!

6 responses

  1. Latayne Scott, a former Mormon, wrote a book in the last couple of years in which she deals a lot with Mormon claims and practices. I read it when it first came out (review here). It’s well written and offers the always-desirable insider’s perspective.

  2. I find it hilarious that you asked them about Deutero-Isaiah and the Book of Mormon. Most Mormons won’t have any idea what you are talking about. There are some Mormons (including myself) who are well aware of that issue and take it seriously, but most Mormons won’t even have ever heard of Deutero-Isaiah, much less its implications for the Book of Mormon.

    • Heh, yea they had never heard of it before, though they did understand the implications. One of the Elders, who knew I have been reading FAIR and FARMS articles, asked me what they had to say on this issue. I responded with that they seem to just disagree with higher criticism at this point and believe Isaiah authored all of the book before Lehi and company left Jersulaem and sailed the ocean. The Elder responded with something like, “Well then, I guess I would agree with whatever they say.”

      • I can tell you for sure that not all FAIR or FARMS guys reject multiple authorship theories of Isaiah, or of the Pentateuch (related topic). For those who accept multiple authorship, 2nd Isaiah in the BoM is a serious issue which we are still looking at. So far as I know nobody has stepped forward with a definite suggestion, though some good thoughts have been mulled around.

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